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darius mclever
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Posted - 2009.11.11 19:41:00 -
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there is only 1 fix we need for invention:
let the ME/PE research of the t1 bpc affect the t2 bpc. then it would finally make sense to research your invention bpcs.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2009.11.13 17:55:00 -
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Edited by: darius mclever on 13/11/2009 17:57:05
 Originally by: venturestar01
The thing with T2 BPO's is that people who won them or "won" them probably can make profit out of them or even sell em for alot more money.
In comparison you have cap's build in empire wich may not be used too get an unfair advantage over other players, for example lvl 4 mission running.
So why do certain players get too hold on to an unfair advantage and others not?
there is only one T2 bpo problem. but thats in the head of the people who are jealous that they dont have one.
if at all let the input ME/PE go into the ME/PE for the t2 bpc you get. so if you have a perfectly researched t1 bpc (practical loss in materials is 0), you get a t2 bpc with ME0/PE0. then the new faction labs with lots of me/pe slots would get lots of work as everyone is researching their invention bpos to a level that they get decent output ME/PE for the t2 copies.
(disclaimer: i dont own any t2 bpo, but i happily get rich with invention.)
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2009.11.13 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Brock Lando
Not supported at all, this isn't any better then the T2 BPO lottery, it IS a lottery.
If you want to fix the mess,
1) Turn T2 BPOs in high run BPCs (1 year+ worth of production if you like, so they approach the value of what they are currently being traded for)
2) Improve the efficiency levels of inventended BPCs
current t2 bpo prices range more around 3years for return of investment.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2009.11.13 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Tarron Sarek
Edited by: Tarron Sarek on 13/11/2009 23:09:44
Originally by: vdude
But adding lottery for t2 bpc with higher material will solve the problem.
This was my proposal for a 'T2 BPO fix' for a long time.
Simply changing the lottery to BPCs instead of BPOs would've been an interesting alternative to invention.
Originally by: darius mclever
if at all let the input ME/PE go into the ME/PE for the t2 bpc you get. so if you have a perfectly researched t1 bpc (practical loss in materials is 0), you get a t2 bpc with ME0/PE0.
This is an interesting suggestion, because letting ME/PE influence the outcome ME/PE without any further restrictions is problematic, since there is no limit.
So if the max you could get was ME0/PE0, I guess that could work.
I'm no big supporter of one-time investments, though, so still a bit sceptical about that.
Imho effort should be the most important factor, not time.
Many perfectly researched T1 BPOs have such a high ME/PE simply because the owner was bored or didn't have anything else to do with the BPO or the labs.
i was thinking in the range of you need to get a perfect researched bpo for a ME0/PE0 t2. e.g. for an 200mm rails bpo that would mean ME 820.;)
so with the average researched bpo you end up with something like me-2 maybe. still an improvement.
if you want to get lets say ME4 for the t2 bpc you would need to research it to ME1640. thats 228 days ME research! it gets even worse with bigger modules and ships.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2009.11.14 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
Originally by: darius mclever
current t2 bpo prices range more around 3years for return of investment.
Current T2 BPO prices are inflated by around 500%. 
agreed. but do you really expect them to go down ever? at the current rate of inflation, they will become kind of trophies pretty quickly.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2009.11.14 00:38:00 -
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Originally by: venturestar01
Originally by: darius mclever
there is only one T2 bpo problem. but thats in the head of the people who are jealous that they dont have one.
I would not call every person who is questioning T2 BPO's jealous.
The issue is really simple, does someone who won (not bought) a T2 BPO have an advantage over the rest of the playerbase?
you could say the same about anything else that is rare in eve. officer mods, faction ships and stuff.
1. do they have an advantage? yes for sure.
2. do i care. not so much. if i wanted the same advantage, i would buy one. but for the moment it is easier for me to make money with inventions than sinking money into the bpo.
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